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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 604 for the 10th of May

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2020 reach add cylinders here with you

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from Sydney Australia and a quick note

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last week I said the episode number was

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306 ain't got it completely back to

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front and thank you to the listeners who

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caught me out know last week's episode

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was actually 603 not 306 and a big

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welcome to all the people listening for

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the first time who have heard me on the

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skeptics guide to the universe

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I've been appearing on the skeptics

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guide to the universe podcast now for

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many many years or maybe once or twice a

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year as a guest rogue I love doing it

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it's always a wonderful time to catch up

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even if it's virtually with the Rogues

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and I certainly do appreciate them

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giving me that opportunity coming up on

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this week's show an interview with my

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old friend and sceptical colleague Ben

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Radford Ben is going to be discussing

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some more covert 19 conspiracy theories

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and skeptical investigations always a

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great time chatting with Ben Radford and

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what a wonderful time I had and was at

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last year and my quick visit to

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Albuquerque New Mexico and Ben even took

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me to some filming locations for

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Breaking Bad and better call Saul that

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was pretty interesting after that it's

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the diet skeptic report with Mandy Lee

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Noble an update to the story she brought

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us a couple of weeks ago about the

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celebrity chef Pete Evans

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selling his bio charger in this

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ridiculous machine that looks like a

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Dalek and a fax machine Pete Evans has

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parted ways with the seven TV network or

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maybe it's the other way around so we'll

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find out about the latest on that story

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after that it's Michelle because Marv

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with the regular segment logical

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fallacies this week Michelle's going to

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ground bent around off the show news

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updates from the Australian skeptics

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some highlights from the recent

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newsletter

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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more announcements from me but now it's

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time for me to run downstairs and I

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again with a bit of a mixture of

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Volvos do you remember those folks in

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Australia iced Volvos I think they're

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still around I'm going to look in my

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cupboard and finish off with some black

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licorice mm-hmm well I do that I hope

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from beautiful Albuquerque New

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Mexico it's been Radford hello there

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hello been great to hear from you GI I

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really miss the fact that at the moment

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lockdown and the virus well it's going

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information that is true but in many

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cases irrelevant and then wrapped

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and all this you've got conspiracies

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origins of the virus to who's who is

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it to to conspiracies about those who

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fabricated well this is interesting

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encouraging her followers on Facebook to

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this whole thing about emergency wards

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getting ready or hospitals being overrun

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is that has that played out in the

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people across the spectrum that the the

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measures that are being taken in

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response to the pandemic including of

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course shutting on businesses and and

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eliminating social gatherings and so on

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are harming the the economy and social

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structure and that's certainly true I

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denying that's that's an issue but what

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back for the Center for inquiry in which

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evidence of deception it's not evidence

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offense in terms of exaggerating or

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intent to deceive the public and and

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comorbidity condition things like that

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the public into giving up their their

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guns or their their rights it's simply

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available well imagine the scenario

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didn't know what the hell to really

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exactly and you know again to to

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the frailty of confirmed knowledge in

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of knowledge this is to be expected it

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would be shocking if the as he said it

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projections were correct because there

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demographic variables there's there's

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virus we know the basics but there's

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lots of nuances that we simply don't

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know but again to the conspiracy mind

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that know they really do know this and

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they're twisting it well that that's not

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people that are that are exaggerating

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the severity of the of the crisis and

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there are people that are under playing

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it but neither one of those positions

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consensus about what's going on now you

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a good analogy here you know the

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expression if you're a hammer every

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everything that happens no matter what

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confirms your conspiracy exactly exactly

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undermines or refutes you your position

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is part of the conspiracy yeah and so

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think so and and they were they would

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challenge like oh well you know the they

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would they would begin by by challenging

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the so-called official story by the msn

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or the mainstream media and and I would

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not a confusion there's but I can it's

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understandable to be skeptical of

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certain things like you know we should

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all be skeptical of information I said

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problem and of course that that easily

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transitions into the just asking

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questions we can get into that in a

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minute but I said okay well so if you if

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you doubt this set of data than water

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own conclusions hmm and they they would

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would sort of get flustered well no I'm

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holes in your data yeah

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like that's not how that works that's

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like you this but that's classic

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conspiracy thinking right it's like

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instead of offering their own valid data

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wide the studies and the research and

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the opinions they're quoting are any

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more valid or accurate than the ones

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they're refuting they don't want to go

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down that path because number one either

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either because they it would be clear

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that that they're cherry-picking the the

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experts that they want to cite and the

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studies in one site or it would be clear

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that that they have that they haven't in

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fact done the research they just you

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know they just saw some some meme online

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or some YouTube video that's purported

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to to expose the truth and they haven't

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dug into it it reminds me of them that

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this whole idea about everything

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confirms your you know belief is

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something for example the homeopaths in

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this country would do when they had

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judgments made against them by the

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government for example and they received

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some music you know a big fine well

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that's just part of the mainstream

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establishment you know trying to hide

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the truth about homeopathy right it's

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it's not surprising that that would be

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the case now how many of these mmm

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conspiracy theories or the actions by

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them would you think are bordering on

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the dangerous well you know that's

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that's a good question it's sort of hard

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to know all right because because

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there's there's a there's a spectrum and

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it's important to remember and and and

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you know this and I'm sure your

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listeners do it as well is that is that

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conspiracy theories by themselves are

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fairly common many people believe in

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some form of conspiracy theory it's

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people like to sort of picture these

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caricatures of these you know tinfoil

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had it you know raving drooling lunatic

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civilian conspiracies but the fact of

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the matter is that many otherwise fairly

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reasonable intelligent people endorse

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conspiracy theories Mick West did a very

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good book your to back called escaping

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the rabbit hole oh yes indeed I have a

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copy right here and we had Mick as a

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guest on not so long ago absolutely yeah

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and so and so the point here is that it

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doesn't in many cases that it doesn't do

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any good and it's not not not not fair

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to characterize the the conspiracy

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theory promoters as being these crazy

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lunatics who will believe anything in

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some cases that's true in many cases

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it's people that sincerely they don't

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know any better there they're not really

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good thinkers they see something on

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Twitter on Facebook or routes and they

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see and it has a superficial possibility

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it says well you know what what about

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this contradiction what about this thing

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and people are like yeah you know when

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you when you frame it that way when you

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frame it as being a possible weird

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contradiction then we'll hold on we're

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just asking questions now getting back

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to maybe more more of fun things been

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podcasting podcasting is a lot of fun we

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often talk about squaring the strange

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here on the skeptic zone and a couple of

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weeks back Celestia Ward was a special

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co-host on on the show and I must say I

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really did enjoy the site the recent

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psychic detective episodes you had with

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Kenny Biddle exploring very interesting

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case files yes thank you I was that was

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that was a fun project for us for those

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who didn't didn't hear the show in a

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nutshell I I had followed as you know

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Richard you one of one of my Bugaboos is

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a psychic detective this is this is a

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thorn are in our perpetual sides yeah

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and we've both done extensive work on it

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and one of the things I I do

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occasionally every few years is I will I

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will pay attention to a high-profile

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missing-persons case somewhere and just

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sort of if it just catches my eye or

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something you know I will go out of my

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way to gather information on it

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particularly in the early stages to see

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you know there's this missing person

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than this missing boy whoever else and

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in in many cases as you know the

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psychics will come out of the woodwork

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especially if they're not found within

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within a few days

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I I like to follow these cases sort of

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in real-time there's lots of cases that

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you and I both investigated that are

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sort of cold psychic cases yeah where

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something happened in 1968 or 1982 but I

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think it's also instructive to pay

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attention to two cases as they're

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unfolding at the moment and to first see

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where is this leading because you don't

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know right I mean you and I have a

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pretty good idea based on our past

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experiences but it's it's always

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informative and instructive to me to to

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follow these cases as they happen and

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just sort of see all right well there's

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this missing persons case what was the

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result did a am i reading a headline

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that says psychic leads police to to

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body or am i reading a headline that

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says hiker finds person who's been

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missing for two weeks you know on a

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trail somewhere and the three of us

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Kenny Biddle and slushy and I each

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picked the case and and followed up I

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get back to this thing I said before

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about the hammer and the nail when your

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hammer every problem is a nail when

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you're a psychic detective

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everything that happens validates your

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psychic insights yeah you know no matter

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what happens and this is what we have to

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deal with most of the times are people

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who think probably think they have real

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special magical psychic powers

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retrofitting things shoehorning things

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saying ah of course that's why I saw the

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body of water or the blue ribbon and it

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all makes sense to them in the end they

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all fit it together post the event yeah

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and as you know in in most of the cases

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they're they are sincere they genuinely

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believe they have these abilities and

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they generally believe that they're

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they're doing some good in the world and

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that's one thing that and I'm sure

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you've seen this as well is just it's

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very frustrating because when you try

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and challenge them even politely and

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diplomatically to say yeah but you

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didn't really solve the case you didn't

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really find the person they get offended

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because they you're attacking their

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identity instead of instead of just

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simply pointing out a factual statement

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yeah and again today

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to their way of thinking once it's all

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over and then in the neh you know

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retrofit things to make them to make it

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fit their predictions or their insights

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or whatever they're convinced they're

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absolutely convinced of course that's

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what I dreamt about now it all makes

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sense and use mr. skeptic you're saying

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that's not real this is you know how

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trager's how how can you possibly say

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that and and their followers for like a

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better word or their fans you know a lot

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of psychics especially in this country

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will have a follower base or a fan base

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or whatever will ya fall in line

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absolutely and say yes this is crazy she

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or he obviously saw this and I'm still a

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firm believer yeah I saw the same thing

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in in recent weeks when I debunked

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several Sylvia Browns claims about

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having her posthumous claims about

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having predicted the The Cove at 19 oh

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yeah that's right Oh would you talk

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about that for a moment please that was

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fascinating so so yeah absolutely so in

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March or so there were there was stories

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circulating around that quoted Sylvia

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Browne as as having correctly predicted

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the co19 outbreak and I had first come

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across a wonderful people had sent it to

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me and I sort of I didn't pay too much

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attention to it because it seemed silly

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until I saw that it had been tweeted by

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Kim Kardashian

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at that point I'm like uh-oh the dam is

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breaking Kim Kardashian is is is is on

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it so therefore this is going to be a

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capital T thing

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in in in quotes of course and so I I

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realized that at that point I did need

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to go ahead and spend time and drop some

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things and address it so I wrote a piece

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about basically debunking the idea that

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Sylvia Browne had predicted the this

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virus and then I got lots of hate mail

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from that so to this day we this is over

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a month later I still get occasional

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nasty emails reveal on Facebook and

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elsewhere that are just just indignant

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that I that I challenged

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the idea that Celia Brown had had

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accurately predicted the over nineteen

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outbreak how dare you yeah yeah well of

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course here in Australia we've had a

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psychic as well suddenly throw his hat

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into the ring of oh I predicted the

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coronavirus a psychic who goes by the

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stage name of Harry T and he's a he's a

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popular one on the morning TV shows and

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the radio shows and you know pop music

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stations will have him on for he is

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Harry what's your psychic predictions

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for the royal family that sort of thing

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you know celebrity predictions and some

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years back 2016 he wrote us down a

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series of visions which he's pieced

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together now to say look I really did

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predict the coronavirus and folks that

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full report will appear in the next

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issue of the skeptic magazine the

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journal from Australian skeptics getting

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back to the podcasting world Ben how are

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you enjoying it now you've been doing

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squaring the strange now for it for a

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few years do you still enjoy the process

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is it a good outlet for you I do I to be

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totally honest with you I I was not at

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all confident that we would last three

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years and we just passed our three year

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anniversary on April Fool's Day actually

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and you know it's just I'm just

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delighted that we've built a followers

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and listeners and fans do due in part to

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you and thank you and your discussions

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and mentions of us that's done a lot

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we've had some wonderful listeners in

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Australia and I just I'm glad that that

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there's an audience for this and the

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people are interested in The Skeptical

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sign of things and you know when we

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first began doing it you know a [\h__\h]

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that's cool and I talked about it and I

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was like well you know are people going

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to be interested in what we're

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interested in I mean I I think it's

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interesting because but because that's

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what I do right that's so if if I

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weren't interested than the then there

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wouldn't need an audience for it but

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sure enough we have lovely listeners

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around the world and and I'm just just

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grateful to to to the listeners and also

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to Silesia and

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well they do wonderful job I can tell

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you right now that I certainly could not

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have done it without them and and I

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appreciate everybody listening and

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everybody's giving us some support yeah

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and I was just thinking about it it's

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really nice to have such a variety of

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skeptical shows out there and they're

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all different

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I mean squaring the strange is different

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from the skeptics guide to the universe

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it's a it's different people and talking

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about different things the skeptic zone

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is different to those two shows because

547
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of our magazine style format and

548
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interviews and reports and stuff stuff

549
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like that we've got skeptoid which is of

550
00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:44,470
course is the shortened you know 10 to

551
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15 minutes on one topic the ESP which is

552
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the European angle the skeptics with the

553
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:53,019
K from the the UK side of things it's

554
00:23:57,690 --> 00:23:55,210
quite a selection of sceptical podcast

555
00:23:58,999 --> 00:23:57,700
out there and we all seem to be hanging

556
00:24:01,710 --> 00:23:59,009
in there I think

557
00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:01,720
yeah and it's it's wonderful you know

558
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:03,700
everybody's doing their own niche there

559
00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:06,970
is no real rivalry between I mean it's

560
00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:08,980
uh we're all we're all doing good work

561
00:24:13,259 --> 00:24:11,860
and trying to do good work and and it's

562
00:24:15,210 --> 00:24:13,269
just wonderful that we have an audience

563
00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:15,220
out there that that are supporting us

564
00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:17,950
and I I think it's it's a it's a telling

565
00:24:21,869 --> 00:24:20,230
touch that a drop of a hat you can

566
00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:21,879
appear on my show I can appear on your

567
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:24,820
show somebody from the ESP will appear

568
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:26,740
on on this show that you know we're all

569
00:24:31,769 --> 00:24:28,570
we're old friends and we're all in this

570
00:24:33,899 --> 00:24:31,779
together and there's no sense of rivalry

571
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:33,909
the only thing I would say is if we

572
00:24:37,019 --> 00:24:35,350
listen to each other's shows we think

573
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:37,029
all that sounds better than mine I have

574
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,210
to improve my own show I know in the

575
00:24:43,499 --> 00:24:41,919
case of squaring estranged I often think

576
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:43,509
now that's a good show why can't I do a

577
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:45,369
show like that boy one thing and I

578
00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:46,690
probably shouldn't tell you this but one

579
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thing that we do is on squaring the

580
00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:50,649
strange sometimes we'll have a Skype

581
00:24:55,139 --> 00:24:52,869
call between Celestia and Pasqual and I

582
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:55,149
and we'll just sit around thinking of

583
00:25:01,980 --> 00:24:58,330
ways in which your show is superior to

584
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:01,990
our show and there's so many well come

585
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up with you know five or six reasons and

586
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then

587
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you know Pascual say yeah but you know

588
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,360
you don't have Richards accent oh well

589
00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:11,520
yeah but you know it's it's all good I

590
00:25:15,860 --> 00:25:13,830
tell you what I'll make it up to you

591
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:15,870
I'll send Maynard to you for a week how

592
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:21,840
about that I'm a big fan of eighties

593
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:24,809
music as you probably know and he is

594
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,910
just the the rubberface maniac that I

595
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just want to squeeze could you imagine

596
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a weekend with Maynard and Roswell let's

597
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make that happen

598
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been Redford thank you once again for

599
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:43,500
your insights folks the podcast is

600
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called squaring the strange we often run

601
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promotions for it here on the sceptic

602
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:50,520
zone it's a fascinating delve into

603
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:53,940
sometimes areas the skeptic zone doesn't

604
00:25:59,120 --> 00:25:56,130
get a chance to cover and it's all

605
00:26:02,450 --> 00:25:59,130
credit to you and pasquale and the

606
00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:02,460
wonderful and talented Celestia Ward but

607
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:04,950
for now Ben Radford have another drink

608
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:07,840
thank you very much

609
00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:23,890
hey fellow skeptics bedford here with

610
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celeste reward your friendly host of

611
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:28,040
squaring the strange a podcast that

612
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looks at topics ranging from legends

613
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,170
panics and cryptids 80 myths psychology

614
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:35,120
and folklore breaking things down and

615
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,250
picking things apart as we skeptics do

616
00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:39,440
we bring a few different perspectives on

617
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:42,020
things pleasure for example is a witty

618
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:44,090
cartoonist and ben is a brilliant writer

619
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:46,490
and long-time skeptical investigator we

620
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:48,170
don't always agree but we have fun

621
00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:50,690
trying and we learn new things join us

622
00:26:55,270 --> 00:26:52,940
for new topics every week or two or

623
00:26:57,940 --> 00:26:55,280
browse our backlog of evergreen episodes

624
00:27:00,340 --> 00:26:57,950
available on itunes and all your

625
00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:00,350
podcasts feeding troughs squaring the

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[Music]

627
00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:14,600
that looks good enough to eat

628
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:21,140
or does it here's the diet skeptic

629
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:28,350
mandelino ball hello skeptic

630
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:32,240
signlessness mandalay noble here

631
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:34,740
dietitian and skeptic reporting from

632
00:27:44,060 --> 00:27:41,670
brisbane welcome skeptic zone listeners

633
00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:44,070
to a mini update of the diet skeptic

634
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:46,920
report you may recall that in a recent

635
00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:49,620
report on wellness Curry's cashing in on

636
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:53,070
covert 19 I mentioned celebrity chef

637
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:55,250
Peterman's who had been slapped with a

638
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:58,170
$25,000 fine by the Australian therapy

639
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:01,860
dudes good administration the TTA issued

640
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:04,020
the fine after receiving a number of

641
00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:06,330
complaints about evans spreaking a

642
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:09,390
glorified plasma lamp and making claims

643
00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:11,210
it would have an effect on Wuhan

644
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:15,750
coronavirus this was a great win for

645
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:18,750
Public Health in Australia but it left

646
00:28:24,020 --> 00:28:21,930
the question why was Evans a champion of

647
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:24,030
anti vaccination and anti fluoride

648
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:26,490
movements still being afforded a

649
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:29,460
platform as co-host of a primetime

650
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,920
television series on one of Australia's

651
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,880
major free to air television networks

652
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,440
that was until this week when the

653
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:40,080
following news articles broke over to

654
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:41,790
you Richard to fill us in on some of the

655
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:44,850
headlines this report comes to us from

656
00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:47,610
news.com today you on the 8th of May

657
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:50,070
twenty twenty feet evans and channel 7

658
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:53,660
part ways after the TV chef was fined

659
00:28:59,960 --> 00:28:56,940
$25,000 by the TGA controversial My

660
00:29:02,450 --> 00:28:59,970
Kitchen Rules judge Pete Evans has

661
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,460
parted ways with channel 7 bringing to

662
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:04,980
an end a decade-long working

663
00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:07,890
relationship it goes on to say Evans who

664
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:10,560
has appeared on every season of My

665
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:13,500
Kitchen Rules since 2010 was rumoured to

666
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:16,740
have been on a eight hundred thousand

667
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,810
dollar contract with Channel seven

668
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:21,120
Channel seven parted ways with Evans

669
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,360
because there are currently no plans for

670
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:26,820
another season of my Kitchen Rules a

671
00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:29,310
decision as to whether the reality

672
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:33,300
program will return in 2021 will be made

673
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:34,320
later this year

674
00:29:39,650 --> 00:29:37,110
Evans was recently slapped with a 25

675
00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:39,660
thousand dollar fine by the Therapeutic

676
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:42,660
Goods Administration of a magical

677
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:45,600
coronavirus eradication properties he

678
00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:48,690
claimed about a bio charger device in a

679
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:51,630
facebook livestream promotion it goes on

680
00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:54,090
to say Evans a prominent Paleo diet

681
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,180
advocate has attracted condemnation for

682
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,520
a number of dubious health claims over

683
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:02,640
the years he claimed it a Netflix

684
00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:04,860
documentary that the keto diet could

685
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:07,940
assist people with autism asthma and

686
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:11,730
even cancer last year he made headlines

687
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:14,490
when he said that flu ride should not be

688
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:16,950
put in the water supply fluoride is a

689
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:19,710
known neurotoxin Evans told the

690
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:20,310
herald-sun

691
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:23,220
if people choose to add fluoride then it

692
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:26,280
should be their choice to do so I cannot

693
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:28,770
wait for it to be eliminated from being

694
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:31,500
added to Australian water supplies in

695
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:35,220
2016 Evans also sparked controversy with

696
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,580
his views on sunscreen during a facebook

697
00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:41,520
Q&A he said the silly thing is people

698
00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:44,430
put on normal chemical sunscreen and lay

699
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,040
out in the Sun for hours on end and

700
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:49,200
think they are safe because they have

701
00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:51,090
covered themselves in poisonous

702
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:53,550
chemicals which is a recipe for disaster

703
00:30:59,120 --> 00:30:56,760
as we are witnessing these days and in

704
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,130
2015 a planned cookbook by Evans for

705
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:01,440
mothers and babies was dropped from

706
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:04,380
publication by the publisher over a baby

707
00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:08,250
broth recipe which contained 4.5 times

708
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:10,920
the maximum vitamin a dose for a baby

709
00:31:18,550 --> 00:31:14,580
and we have another report that appeared

710
00:31:21,170 --> 00:31:18,560
in The Guardian at the Guardian calm

711
00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:21,180
Australian celebrity chef Pete Evans

712
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:24,060
under fire for sharing views of UK

713
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,810
conspiracy theorist David Icke the story

714
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:30,480
says these celebrity chef Pete Evans has

715
00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:31,740
come under fresh

716
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,860
criticism for promoting the coronavirus

717
00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:36,960
views of david icke the british

718
00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:39,540
conspiracy theorists previously accused

719
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,540
of holocaust denial and barred from

720
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:45,059
entering australia i also compares

721
00:31:51,020 --> 00:31:48,660
covered 19 distancing measures to Nazi

722
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:51,030
Germany fascism in the interview that

723
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,130
appears to have been recorded during the

724
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,380
same week that Facebook and YouTube

725
00:32:02,030 --> 00:31:57,960
deleted his accounts for making claims

726
00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:02,040
about five G & coronavirus Evans social

727
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:05,040
media post prompted the Labour MP Josh

728
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,260
burns who was Jewish to write to the

729
00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:10,320
chef on Thursday warning him about Ike's

730
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,460
long history of anti-semitism and

731
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:16,080
cautioning him against promoting his

732
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:19,980
views on social media it goes on I felt

733
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:21,570
that it was important that you were

734
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:24,030
aware of the offensive historical works

735
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:27,030
by mr. David Icke Byrnes told Evans in

736
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,490
the letters seen by the Guardian mr. Ike

737
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,559
was denied a visa to Australia for a

738
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:34,080
good reason his conspiracy theories

739
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:37,080
incite hatred of Jewish people David

740
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,090
Icke is not just controversial he is

741
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:41,940
racist he espouses a dark and old form

742
00:32:46,090 --> 00:32:44,370
of anti-semitism that is personally

743
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:46,100
offensive and there has no place in

744
00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:49,170
Australian society and that story once

745
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:51,059
again comes from The Guardian comm and

746
00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:53,130
both these stories will be linked in

747
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,630
this week's show notes thanks Richard

748
00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:00,000
well it is clear that covert 19 has had

749
00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:02,550
some devastating effects and it has had

750
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:06,059
changed how we live and our values I'm

751
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,490
hopeful that there may be some positive

752
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:10,860
outcomes including a collective push

753
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:13,530
against the anti science movements that

754
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:15,690
have risked the gains made by successful

755
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:17,850
public health interventions such as

756
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:21,690
vaccination and fluoridation as for

757
00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:24,660
Evans well while he hasn't been directly

758
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:26,790
commenting on the public axing by

759
00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:29,820
television network channel 7 evans was

760
00:33:35,419 --> 00:33:31,380
quick to post to his social media

761
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:35,429
accounts in a post today he has thanked

762
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,559
his followers and pointed to his success

763
00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:39,840
as a best-selling author on food and

764
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:42,750
health Evans is also alluded to the

765
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:44,340
industries and authorities who are

766
00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:45,630
conspiring to

767
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,540
him down as a health care provider I

768
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:50,640
look forward to seeing and hearing a lot

769
00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:53,820
less from Evans and hope that far fewer

770
00:34:00,860 --> 00:33:58,020
vulnerable Shane's will do too finally

771
00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:00,870
as I've said previously my thoughts are

772
00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:03,630
with everyone who has been affected by

773
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:06,420
covert 19 I want to acknowledge the

774
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:08,040
detrimental impact its had on

775
00:34:13,879 --> 00:34:12,060
communities here and abroad thank you to

776
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:13,889
our heroes of science and medicine and

777
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:17,250
thank you skeptics and listeners bye for

778
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:24,850
[Music]

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00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:27,300
[Applause]

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00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:30,679
[Music]

781
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:33,540
this is Brian Dunning from skeptoid here

782
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:36,780
quarantine away in Central Oregon a few

783
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:38,280
weeks ago I was supposed to speak at an

784
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,750
academic conference on conspiracy

785
00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:42,480
theories in Miami but like all the

786
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:44,820
world's other in-person conferences it

787
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:47,310
was cancelled due to Cove in nineteen so

788
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,740
I was asked to put my talk online it's

789
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:52,379
called we are all conspiracy theorists

790
00:34:56,419 --> 00:34:54,179
and it's a complete survey of the whole

791
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:56,429
phenomenon of conspiratorial thinking I

792
00:35:03,220 --> 00:34:58,770
hope you enjoy it and please share it

793
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to watch we are all conspiracy theorists

794
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now search YouTube for skeptoid media

795
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,540
and click on our logo it's also easy to

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find on Facebook on the skeptoid media

797
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798
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:20,990
online now please enjoy

799
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[Music]

800
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:44,720
logical fallacies

801
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:47,510
[Music]

802
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:51,000
what are logical fallacies and why is it

803
00:35:55,050 --> 00:35:52,920
important that critical thinkers should

804
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,060
know about them

805
00:36:00,780 --> 00:35:57,760
a logical fallacy is an error we can

806
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,790
make in reasoning but it usually crops

807
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:03,040
up when we are discussing or arguing our

808
00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:06,790
point of view some people might even

809
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:09,220
knowingly use them to try and score

810
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:11,410
cheap points in an argument due to

811
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:13,650
intellectual laziness

812
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:16,990
they are traps we can fall into but if

813
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:19,450
we know what to look out for we can spot

814
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:21,790
them when they occur and stop ourselves

815
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:24,450
from using them

816
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:26,250
[Music]

817
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:28,470
this time we'll look at the middle

818
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:31,260
ground also known as the false

819
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,630
compromise and the argument to

820
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moderation this is when it's asserted

821
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that the truth of the matter lies

822
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:41,580
between two extremes and casts doubt on

823
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:44,030
a well reasoned and evidence-based

824
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,070
conclusion this fallacy can come across

825
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:49,920
as being very fair-minded or democratic

826
00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:52,710
as it seems to appeal to an open-minded

827
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:55,830
approach but there are some issues and

828
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topics where enough evidence has been

829
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:00,930
gathered for us to be very sure of the

830
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:04,260
premise some say climate change is real

831
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:07,320
and the earth is warming but others say

832
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:09,930
it's not happening or even if it is it's

833
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just part of a natural cycle of the

834
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planet until they all just make up their

835
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:17,760
mind I'm not going to commit one way or

836
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:20,220
the other it's good to weigh up the

837
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:22,710
arguments on any issue and listen to a

838
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:25,890
wide range of opinions but if you're

839
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:28,290
waiting for everyone to make up their

840
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:32,010
minds you'll be waiting forever while it

841
00:37:37,070 --> 00:37:33,990
could be said that science never

842
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:37,080
ultimately makes up its mind it does

843
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:40,310
reach firm if tentative conclusions

844
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,980
there is no longer any doubt that humans

845
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:45,839
contribute to global warming

846
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:49,530
however science continues to fine-tune

847
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:51,630
our knowledge and understanding of the

848
00:37:58,210 --> 00:37:55,470
phenomenon note too that the consensus

849
00:38:01,310 --> 00:37:58,220
on global warming isn't a middle ground

850
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:01,320
negotiated between scientists but a

851
00:38:07,339 --> 00:38:04,440
consensus of what the data shows and the

852
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,349
evidence clearly rests on one side I

853
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:10,560
know some scientists say the earth is

854
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:13,020
billions of years old and we evolved

855
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:15,720
from apes but other scientists say there

856
00:38:21,339 --> 00:38:18,660
is proof for biblical creation with the

857
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,349
earth being only 6,000 years old

858
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:23,940
don't you think it's best we teach

859
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:26,700
children both points of view and let

860
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:29,490
them decide here is a classic argument

861
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,250
from the young earth creationists by

862
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,260
saying there are scientists on both

863
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:36,660
sides of the question implies that the

864
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:39,270
established history of the earth and the

865
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:39,900
fact of

866
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:43,049
evolution are in doubt both are simply

867
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:45,690
not in doubt in the scientific community

868
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,420
but there always be those who use the

869
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:50,400
false balance to push their point of

870
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:55,740
view in this case creationism sometimes

871
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,690
there is a concession to the religious

872
00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,000
doctrine by using a combination of

873
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:02,339
creationism and evolution to reach a

874
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:04,770
hybrid middle ground and this is also

875
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:06,930
fallacious as the positions are

876
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:10,619
diametrically opposed also remember that

877
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:13,650
no matter what the topic even if it's

878
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:16,619
ridiculous you'll always find someone

879
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:19,170
calling themselves an expert to defend

880
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:22,710
it I was watching a debate on TV about

881
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:25,079
vaccinations they had a doctor talking

882
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:26,910
about preventing whooping cough and

883
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:29,910
measles with a vaccine but for balance

884
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:32,700
they also had a naturopath to give the

885
00:39:39,019 --> 00:39:35,490
other side of the story again and again

886
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:39,029
TV shows especially breakfast TV that

887
00:39:44,269 --> 00:39:41,490
has maybe a five or six minute slot to

888
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,279
fill will cover an issue by getting in

889
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:47,760
to people who represent quote both sides

890
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,240
of an issue and let them fight it out it

891
00:39:56,089 --> 00:39:54,240
makes the good TV but leave the viewers

892
00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:56,099
with a mistaken impression that there

893
00:40:03,650 --> 00:39:58,619
are two equal sides to an issue in this

894
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case vaccination during the 2010 medical

895
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:06,150
scientists dr. Rachel Dunlop of the

896
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,609
Australian skeptics took a strong stand

897
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:11,520
against this false balance and refused

898
00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:14,520
to be part of any TV or radio program

899
00:40:19,819 --> 00:40:16,799
that would have her appear next to an

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00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:19,829
anti-vaxxer she did not want to give

901
00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:22,619
them undeserved credibility by appearing

902
00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:24,700
with her

903
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:27,500
there are so many examples where a

904
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:30,890
middle ground simply does not exist you

905
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:33,230
cannot be half dead or a little bit

906
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,510
pregnant

907
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:37,040
despite this fallacy sounding so

908
00:40:42,490 --> 00:40:40,130
reasonable as we've seen it is often

909
00:40:44,590 --> 00:40:42,500
used by others with a fringe opinion to

910
00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:44,600
try and cast doubt on the stronger

911
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:48,430
opinion or even on established fact

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00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:50,710
[Music]

913
00:40:55,890 --> 00:40:53,450
knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

914
00:40:58,270 --> 00:40:55,900
one and even knowing its name is

915
00:41:01,930 --> 00:40:58,280
important when arguing your point of

916
00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:01,940
view however you may come across as

917
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:04,760
arrogant and not get very far if you

918
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:07,370
call it out by name to your opponent

919
00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:11,090
when you hear it being used if your

920
00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:13,430
opponent calls you out for using one

921
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:15,980
it's time to stop and think about how

922
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,820
you are making your case use your

923
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:22,160
knowledge of logical fallacies wisely

924
00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:25,490
and remember that even if your point of

925
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:27,740
view is right and you know all the

926
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:30,770
pitfalls in arguing your case it doesn't

927
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:34,250
always mean you'll win on the day and a

928
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:37,670
skeptics we must also remember that we

929
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:42,820
too can be wrong at times I'm sure

930
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:46,130
because my from the VEX skeptics thanks

931
00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:59,349
[Music]

932
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,210
seeking skeptical speakers for skeptics

933
00:42:08,299 --> 00:42:05,460
cafe the VIX skeptics are continuing

934
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:08,309
their skeptics cafe every third Monday

935
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,130
of the month via zoom meetings this

936
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:13,740
month on the 18th of May they will be

937
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,619
hosting their annual soapbox where

938
00:42:21,579 --> 00:42:18,720
people who feel passionate about a topic

939
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:21,589
skeptical in nature can present an

940
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:25,230
online talk for around 15 minutes as one

941
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:27,960
of four speakers so if you'd like to

942
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:29,970
give it a try please contact the Vick

943
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:34,740
skeptics at the IC @ skeptics comm

944
00:42:40,779 --> 00:42:37,980
dot-eu or send a message via the

945
00:42:43,339 --> 00:42:40,789
skeptics cafe Facebook page of course

946
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:43,349
experienced speakers are welcome to

947
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:49,740
apply to that's the Vick skeptics

948
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:53,010
continuing their skeptics cafe every

949
00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:55,049
third Monday of the month via zoom

950
00:43:10,179 --> 00:42:55,820
meetings

951
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:10,189
[Music]

952
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:13,410
from the Australian skeptics we glanced

953
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:15,209
at the Australian skeptics newsletter

954
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:18,900
number 97 and this was sent out on the

955
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:27,900
5th of May 2028 UM's covered our skeptic

956
00:43:33,380 --> 00:43:31,140
on 2020 update the 36th Australian

957
00:43:35,929 --> 00:43:33,390
skeptics National Convention skeptic on

958
00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:35,939
2020 is due to be held at Surfers

959
00:43:41,569 --> 00:43:38,459
Paradise on Queensland's Gold Coast from

960
00:43:43,429 --> 00:43:41,579
October the 23rd to the 25th the

961
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:43,439
organisers are still planning for it to

962
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:46,529
go ahead and as a face-to-face event

963
00:43:50,479 --> 00:43:49,049
if circumstances change or if government

964
00:43:53,059 --> 00:43:50,489
directions mean that such physical

965
00:43:55,099 --> 00:43:53,069
meetings are not allowed then decisions

966
00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:55,109
can be made about the status and format

967
00:44:01,039 --> 00:43:57,390
of the event for more information and

968
00:44:04,449 --> 00:44:01,049
the latest updates go to the skeptic on

969
00:44:05,779 --> 00:44:04,459
website and that website is sceptic

970
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:05,789
on.org

971
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:18,420
the next item says paleo Pete hit with

972
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:23,170
TGA fine no sooner did we nominate paleo

973
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:25,570
Pete Evans for the Australian skeptics

974
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:29,200
bent spoon award for his bio charge of

975
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:32,230
miracle technology then he gets hit with

976
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:34,270
a twenty five thousand two hundred

977
00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:37,570
dollar fine by the TGA for promoting the

978
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:39,580
product the appliance can apparently

979
00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:43,510
treat covered 19 among hundreds of other

980
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:46,060
conditions it was selling for fifteen

981
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:48,550
thousand Australian dollars although the

982
00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:53,140
US original also sells for $15,000 so

983
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:54,580
either people is offering a

984
00:45:00,120 --> 00:44:57,310
bargain-basement price or someone got

985
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,130
their Australian and US dollars mixed up

986
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:03,040
and don't forget to visit the website of

987
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:05,410
Australian skeptic skeptics Conger au

988
00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:08,560
and check out this year's nominations

989
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:11,100
for the bent spoon award you can also

990
00:45:23,789 --> 00:45:21,039
next item says anti-vaxxer party changes

991
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:23,799
name despite objections the involuntary

992
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:27,410
medical objectors vaccination fluoride

993
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:31,249
party will now be known as the informed

994
00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:34,670
medical opinions party and change

995
00:45:40,749 --> 00:45:37,700
medical experts warned was an attempt to

996
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:40,759
conceal the parties to agenda and appear

997
00:45:44,109 --> 00:45:41,900
more mainstream

998
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:44,119
despite formal objections from the

999
00:45:48,339 --> 00:45:45,890
Australian Medical Association and

1000
00:45:51,069 --> 00:45:48,349
federal Health Minister Greg Hunt the

1001
00:45:54,729 --> 00:45:51,079
Australian Electoral Commission found

1002
00:45:59,529 --> 00:45:54,739
the name change met the requirements of

1003
00:46:01,479 --> 00:45:59,539
the Electoral Act but while the name may

1004
00:46:04,059 --> 00:46:01,489
have changed it's still the same

1005
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:04,069
policies the original anti-vaxxer a

1006
00:46:09,309 --> 00:46:06,890
fluoride conspiracy touting party were

1007
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:09,319
set up by Michael O'Neill founder

1008
00:46:14,229 --> 00:46:11,890
secretary and leader of the fringe group

1009
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:14,239
he is the husband of the banned

1010
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:17,650
naturopath barber O'Neill

1011
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:20,180
[Music]

1012
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:23,099
Facebook criticized for pseudoscience ad

1013
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:26,430
targeting category Facebook has been

1014
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:28,530
removing content with quote false or

1015
00:46:34,220 --> 00:46:31,530
conspiracy theories in quote relating to

1016
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:34,230
covert 19 since January including

1017
00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:36,599
removing the pseudoscience category

1018
00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:39,270
however an investigation by the US

1019
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,150
nonprofit Consumer Reports found that

1020
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:44,400
ads containing deliberate and dangerous

1021
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:46,140
misinformation relating to covert

1022
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:48,839
nineteen are slipping through Facebook's

1023
00:46:58,380 --> 00:46:55,850
meanwhile david icke kicked off facebook

1024
00:47:00,690 --> 00:46:58,390
Facebook has taken down the official

1025
00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:00,700
page of conspiracy theorist David Icke

1026
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:03,400
for publishing quote health information

1027
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:05,800
that could cause physical harm end quote

1028
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:07,770
specifically false claims about

1029
00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:11,830
coronavirus such as suggesting 5g mobile

1030
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:15,940
phone networks are linked to the spread

1031
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:18,760
of the virus in one video he suggests

1032
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:21,720
that a Jewish group was behind the virus

1033
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:24,730
following the band likes Twitter account

1034
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:28,240
posted quote fascist Facebook deletes

1035
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:31,900
David Icke and the elite are terrified

1036
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:37,450
end quote here we have one same people

1037
00:47:45,390 --> 00:47:40,690
behind climate denial and coronavirus

1038
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:45,400
pseudoscience not everyone of course but

1039
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:48,220
a new investigation from environmental

1040
00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:51,400
publication and dismal shows quote the

1041
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:53,980
massive overlap between the climate

1042
00:48:01,650 --> 00:47:57,810
science denial machine and the covert 19

1043
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:01,660
panic denial machine in quote using

1044
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,090
quote the same playbook they've used to

1045
00:48:08,310 --> 00:48:06,400
try to discredit climate science and

1046
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,320
quote and a little note from me isn't

1047
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:10,560
that interesting this overlap between

1048
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:14,770
conspiracy theorists like that it sort

1049
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:16,770
of reminds me of the overlap between

1050
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:19,990
believers in the New Age and conspiracy

1051
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:23,170
theorists to quote as the virus spread

1052
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:26,560
so too did misinformation baseless

1053
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:29,050
predictions that the disease would not

1054
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:31,750
cause significant harm claims of miracle

1055
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:34,180
cures and conspiracy theories about the

1056
00:48:39,570 --> 00:48:37,270
virus's origins unquote the project

1057
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:39,580
executive summary says quote that

1058
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:42,430
misinformation was often circulated by

1059
00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:44,530
white-collar professionals including

1060
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:46,750
many who have a history of casting doubt

1061
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,320
on climate science or seeking to debate

1062
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:52,960
issues that were already laid to rest

1063
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,970
within the scientific community main

1064
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:57,760
question there is also what dr. Steve

1065
00:49:01,859 --> 00:48:58,450
novella

1066
00:49:04,829 --> 00:49:01,869
refers to as end quote unholy alliance

1067
00:49:08,779 --> 00:49:04,839
in quote between cove at 19 and

1068
00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:11,130
supermarkets crap dangerous conspiracy

1069
00:49:16,259 --> 00:49:14,380
magazine and of course this is a story

1070
00:49:18,809 --> 00:49:16,269
we covered on the show last week two of

1071
00:49:20,009 --> 00:49:18,819
Australia's largest supermarkets have

1072
00:49:22,019 --> 00:49:20,019
agreed to stop selling the

1073
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,029
anti-vaccination alternative medicine

1074
00:49:27,059 --> 00:49:24,400
magazine and their checkouts and in

1075
00:49:30,209 --> 00:49:27,069
their aisles after being called out by

1076
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:30,219
two jeebies Ben Fordham the magazine

1077
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:33,369
what doctors don't tell you is stacked

1078
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:36,729
page to page with conspiracies dangerous

1079
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:39,420
misinformation and dodgy medical advice

1080
00:49:46,469 --> 00:49:42,430
needless to say the magazine has

1081
00:49:49,259 --> 00:49:46,479
subjected the next item says science

1082
00:49:52,499 --> 00:49:49,269
denial among the greatest risks to

1083
00:49:55,529 --> 00:49:52,509
humanity the denial of science is among

1084
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:55,539
the top 10 risks to humanity according

1085
00:50:01,759 --> 00:49:57,460
to a recent report by the fledgling

1086
00:50:05,549 --> 00:50:01,769
Commission for the human future see HF

1087
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:05,559
this ranks such the nihilism alongside

1088
00:50:11,609 --> 00:50:07,630
climate change nuclear war

1089
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:11,619
overpopulation unregulated artificial

1090
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intelligence environmental decline and

1091
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extinction resource scarcity food

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insecurity overpopulation Universal

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pollution by chemicals and pandemic

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disease that almost sounds like a rhyme

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somehow doesn't it the Australian based

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CHF believes influential members of the

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political class have showed quote

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disdain for scientific knowledge in

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quote and says quote some were actively

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hostile to it this has led to scientific

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advice being ignored and scientific

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investments cut because it does not suit

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the short-term political agendas or

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unfounded political beliefs end quote it

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says in its surviving and thriving in

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the 21st century reporting the report

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does offer ways to deal with the issues

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other stories reported in this

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newsletter include I'm not saying it's

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not aliens but it's not aliens Phil

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Plait the bad astronomer on UFO videos

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recently released by the Pentagon quote

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but is any of this actually true yeah no

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I mean sure the objects in the footage

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are unidentified but something being a

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UFO doesn't make it you know a UFO the

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newsletter also reminds us the March

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2020 issue of the skeptic the journal

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from Australian skeptics is out with a

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feature on science pseudoscience and

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politicians not to mention science

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pseudoscience business management our

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good our paranormalist practices over

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old-fashioned UFO cult and a lot more

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lots of good information coming to us

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there from Australian skeptics and if

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and thank you to all those people

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around the world who have been updating

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the site Korona conspiracy dot cloud

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link in this week's show notes of course

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now this is the place where if you find

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a dodgy bit of medical advice or quack

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advice with coronavirus suggesting you

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all I don't know ingested bleach or

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something know something crazy like

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homeopathy or Reiki for coronavirus or

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00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:13,850
applied kinesiology if you go to corona

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00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:15,770
conspiracy dot cloud you can upload a

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screen capture or a photograph that you

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might have taken together with the

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mother um notes and for the rest of us

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00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:25,580
you can go to that website and peruse

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00:53:30,820 --> 00:53:27,950
all the weird and wonderful claims

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00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:30,830
people have found when it comes to

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quackery and coronavirus men speaking of

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quackery and coronavirus one of the

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mentions on that website is the

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homeopathy plus outfit here in Australia

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you have been recently advocating the

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use of homeopathy for growing a virus of

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course

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no surprises there but they point to

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India being a great success because they

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00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:54,710
use homeopathy well I've been having a

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look at the statistics and the graph for

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India is not looking good it's going up

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and up and up

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and I suspect because of the problems

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they may well have in getting testing

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done in such a vast population that the

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numbers of those infected and those dead

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are probably sadly much higher than what

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the statistics show thank you to those

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coming up on next week's show we chat to

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an old friend of mine a Linda Brown a

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Linda was one of the committee members

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of the Australian skeptics 20 years ago

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00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:18,040
almost 20 years ago when I joined and

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she and I and some others had wonderful

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Skeptical adventures where we'd go and

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test psychics go to mind body wallet

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festivals and a Linda and you'll hear

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00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:32,320
about this next week even once went to a

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hypnotist who claimed she could make

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breasts grow bigger by hypnotizing stem

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cells

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yeah skepticism is an interesting game I

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tell you that hear about that next week

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but for this week

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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hello people who listen after the music

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yes it's time once again for the dice

1228
00:57:00,959 --> 00:56:56,769
game now people who listened last week

1229
00:57:03,029 --> 00:57:00,969
will remember that I rolled a d20 now

1230
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rolled it three times and it came up ten

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00:57:09,989 --> 00:57:08,319
ten ten and I guess any combination of

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00:57:11,189 --> 00:57:09,999
three numbers has an equal chance of

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00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:11,199
coming up but there you go I thought

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00:57:17,219 --> 00:57:13,559
that was pretty amazing our special

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00:57:18,449 --> 00:57:17,229
guest predictor using his amazing

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00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:18,459
psychic powers this week has been

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00:57:23,009 --> 00:57:21,549
radford hello Ben now we're going to

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00:57:26,759 --> 00:57:23,019
play the dice game I'm gonna roll this

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00:57:28,739 --> 00:57:26,769
d20 three times and I want you to use

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00:57:30,419 --> 00:57:28,749
your special powers to see along with

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the people at home or in their cars or

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00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:32,169
walking the dog or doing the dishes or

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00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:34,329
hiking or whatever they're doing if you

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00:57:38,429 --> 00:57:36,130
can guess the number coming up so here

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00:57:43,409 --> 00:57:38,439
we go I'm shaking it now it's well shook

1246
00:57:48,659 --> 00:57:43,419
Ben what's your prediction the answer is

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17 ooh here we go holy mackerel it's

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four okay well I thought four but but my

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00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,699
mouth said 17 damn it so I can see why

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00:58:08,939 --> 00:58:02,339
you might count that as a Miss all right

1251
00:58:11,779 --> 00:58:08,949
what's your next guess ten ten Oh like

1252
00:58:15,569 --> 00:58:11,789
last week here we go

1253
00:58:17,579 --> 00:58:15,579
three okay well that in that particular

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00:58:25,339 --> 00:58:17,589
case I really was thinking 10 so that

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that is okay last go okay this one is

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number six prisoner okay and the winning

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00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:36,189
number is four so well one out of three

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00:58:44,939 --> 00:58:42,609
isn't too bad so half of 103 well my

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00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,949
head I just I just said the wrong number

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00:58:50,989 --> 00:58:46,900
and for those of you playing at home

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this week's winning numbers are 4 3 & 4

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so that that's thing I showed you the

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00:58:59,099 --> 00:58:56,650
other day they got the the psychic here

1264
00:59:02,219 --> 00:58:59,109
who thinks he predicted the the virus

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00:59:04,260 --> 00:59:02,229
yeah yeah yeah yeah I wrote a big report

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00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:04,270
about them oh you saw that you

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00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:06,820
so the first draft I did yeah the second

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:09,220
first draft second draft has gone to the

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editor and he's quite happy with it well

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00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:14,650
you are you are quite a good writer I

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00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:16,390
know that you're known for your dashing

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00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:17,830
good looks and your podcast but you're

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actually a halfway decent writer I'll

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keep trying Thank You Ben that might end